HEALTH CARE REFORM AND THE STUPAK/PITTS AMENDMENT

Women’s health means rightwing stealth. At the last minute, the Stupak/Pitts Amendment was attached to the Health Care Reform Bill. This amendment violates the underlying principle of health care reform, as articulated by President Obama, that “no one will lose the benefits they currently have.” Truth is that under the Stupak/Pitts Amendment, millions of women would lose benefits they already have and millions more would be prohibited from getting the kind of private sector health care coverage that most women have today. Ie: millions of women would lose private coverage for abortion services and millions more would be prohibited from buying it even with their own money.

People are often surprised that we are still fighting this battle for freedom of choice after so long. I’m not. I’ve come to understand that anti-choice and opposition to contraception has nothing to do with pro-life or pro-fetus; it has everything to do with power and who has it. It represents a mindset that values women mainly for their services as wives and sexual partners to men and as producers and rearers of children.

Reproduction and sexuality are keys to women’s empowerment. If a woman is able to determine the reproductive and sexual aspects of her life, it means she can also control and determine many other aspects of her life. When women are robbed of reproductive health and contraceptive decision-making, they loose an essential element of what it means to be a full human being.

This is a power struggle that has existed from the very beginning of the 120-year fight over reproductive rights. Every dictator—Stalin, Ceaucescu, Hilter—has made anti-choice a central component of their agenda. The anti-choice movement has used different strategies over the decades, growing more strategic and virulent in reaction to the modern U.S. women’s movement. Granting personhood to the fetus is only the latest incarnation and now the Stupak/Pitts Amendment shows how clever the movement has become. Most folks blame the Bishops without realizing the most pernicious part of it all.

Reproductive health has to be understood from a woman’s point of view. How a woman manages her fertility comprises a whole spectrum of factors — her relations, sexual and otherwise with her partner; her economic and psychological circumstances; her status within the family and in the community; her future security. Health factors are only one among all these others and since childbearing and child rearing is a complex social and economic undertaking that affects a woman’s economic, social, sexual, and emotional life, and the life of her family and her community, this undertaking cannot be decided by a medical doctor who is weighing it from the point of view of health risks, or of policy-makers who may view it subjectively as a moral issue. This makes the woman an “object” and it dismisses her knowledge about her own body and her own life and instead of enhancing her dignity and self-respect it belittles and disempowers her.

It reflects a mindset that believes that women cannot be trusted to make decisions that will be good for their families and society; that what is good for a family and a community and a society or even a woman’s own health is something that must be determined by others who “know better” and then imposed on her.

The strategy of the anti-choice forces today is not to oppose abortion frontally but, instead, to wage an incremental assault in a long-term effort to win the hearts and minds of the American public. The Stupak/Pitts amendment is a good example.

Let’s not let this pass.

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  1. OMG! So this would basically throw RowVSWade right out the window! I HATE this practice of taking stuff at the bottom of bills! I don’t know when this practice started but it stank back then & this proves the practice still stinks today! Especially considering the fact that most of our elected officials don’t bother to read the bills they are voting into law in the first place! How disgusting is this!? What can I do to help?

    • Astartiel…and everyone..write your elected officials about this.

  2. Jane-
    Thank you sooo much for your recent comments. This is the website I love reading. I think I took you to task a few days back, after the elections….celebrity friends and dinners are nice…but right now there is just too much going on. It’s time we do get angry….enough is enough!! Women’s rights, gay right’s, poverty levels and so much more are at the forefront. The time is NOW! We can not drop the ball on these important matters. And unfortunately, we can not rely on our elected officials to do the right thing. Jane, you have done so much in the past and continue to do so now….let’s stay on point and use the power of our voices as one voice!!!

    Bill

    • Yes, Bill, but sometimes–so as not to become too dour and burn out–we need to relax with friends, even if sometimes they happen to be celebrities. Don’t you agree? xx Jane

    • I’m 54 y/o female and still find it hard to believe that women feel the right for others to pay for their abortions and not be held accountable for their own actions. There are all types of contraceptions out there including abstination. You say you should be able to bed whomever you wish, whenever you wish but don’t want to take precautions, that’s your right, but it is also my right to say you should pay for the mistake you made out of your own pocket, NOT MINE.
      If you say you’re responsible, then PROVE IT. I don’t mind paying for it in cases of incest or rape but when women freely choose to be careless, NO.

  3. I can’t believe that in the year 2009 we still have to fight for free choice.I was fortunate enough to never have been in the situation of having to decide whether to have an abortion, and I’m now long past the age of having to worry about an unwanted pregnancy. But for the sake of my grand daughters, and the daughters they someday may have, I will continue to support and fight for all women to have the right of free choice.

  4. Amen.

  5. Well said! It seems every issue is always tied to power and who has it. Those who have it (white men for most part; I am one) often do not want it relinquished.

  6. such a long historical struggle fot women to obtain this dignity role on having the bith-control,the right to master their own body against men who took power of their destiny,step by step, we are going backward,ecomically,in the health-care field, they’re the first to be the scapegoat in economical crisis, more and more,it’s an important issue, not to let ‘s it drop, and not to fight against a fatal issue take the overhand, but you’re there, to keep the fire, and give the sparkle to eradicate all inequalities!thanks Jane being yourself! Frederique Dhenein

  7. Hi Miss Fonda,

    Been following your blog for awhile so thought I would get out of the closet so to speak and comment.

    Am a 70 yr old male and near lifelong admirer of your work. Not only of your acting but of your principles as well. You are a perfect example that one does not have to stop being who they are simply because of a number. I believing in growing until I go and you are an inspiration.

    Remember seeing you in person back in the late 60s at Belle Isle Park in Detroit. You were campaigning against the war and were in company with Holly Near. You said “We are the real patriots” and I totally agreed. You have great courage.

    As far as the Stupack thing is concerned, I think whether or not one is pro life or not is irrevelant. The real question is why is it the business of Government to interfere in our personal lives. God forbid if we ever get a Palin or Huckabee type in control..

    Keep up the good work.

  8. Jane, there are still some people in the world who believe that only God has a choice about whom live will be given as a precious gift and whom not. Naming these people along with Hitler and Stalin is way out of every reasonable thought. And it is certainly not the Obama-way to reconcile America.
    With regards from Germany
    Christian Runkel

  9. I totally agree with you Jane. It is the 21st century and it is too late and we have progressed so much to resort back to unsafe back alley abortions and wire hanger suicides.

    I often think though, we are always excited by a technological advancement and more eager to transition from standard to high definition, pay phone to cell phone, etc. What if we had a social advancement for every technological advancement? The same day Windows 7 is distributed is the same day that all Americans have universal health care. The same day the president of Apple reveals a new iPod model is the same day a bill is passed, legislated, and enforced combating global warming through safe, friendly means in Congress. The same day a television show can be equally seen on the computer is the same day GLBT Americans can marry in the entire USA.

  10. Hi Jane
    Seeing as this is an American issue and has nothing to do with us in Europe I didn’t have a clue what it was about until reading your blog today. And being so inquisitive, I’ve just googled the amendment and (thank God for Wikipedia) just found out what it means.

    I can’t believe that this national health insurance would not cover abortions. And why would it prohibit paying for it with your own money? I don’t understand. How are women going to get abortions now?

    Over 80% of abortions are carried out by the National Health Service in my home country, the UK. This Abortion Act was brought in in 1967 in order to protect women’s mental and physical health. Jane, this is 2009. I feel as if in some parts of the world we’re going backwards.
    Wish I was in the States fighting with you on this one. Good luck.
    Best wishes from Germany.
    Jason
    p.s. Sky Dumont who you met recently in Düsseldorft also lives in Hamburg, so yet another reason to visit 😉

  11. Jane, Thanks for adding your voice to this. Your readers could write their Senators and the White House…sign the petitions at PPFA.org or PFAW.org…go to DC on December 2nd to be part of a national day of lobbying…The Religious Institute issued a joint religious leader statement that can be read at http://www.religiousinstitute.org We hope people will ask their religious leader to get involved. I’m blogging about all of this at http://debrahaffner.blogspot.org

    It’s hard to believe that a Congressman I had never even heard of on Friday is taking up all of my attention this week!

    Following the loss in Maine, the Stupak amendment is a dramatic reminder that sexual justice still hasn’t been obtained…and the religious right is far from dead.

    Love, Debra

  12. Jane,

    I love your blog. It’s my favorite one. You write really well, and I appreciate you sharing your life with us.

    Having said that, it pains me to see what a wide brush you paint with when you describe everyone who disagrees with you about abortion. I read your words, and I think, “Is this how I really am? Do I have a suppressed agenda ‘that values women mainly for their services as wives and sexual partners to men?’” I would say no. I believe we don’t support women enough, we don’t give women enough choices, we don’t appreciate how because of the lack of support and options, having an abortion is often the only choice many women feel they have.

    According to the Guttmacher Institute, in 2005, 1.21 abortions were performed in the United States. If current trends continue, according to the Institute, more than 35 percent of U.S. women will have had an abortion by age 45. “The United States has one of the highest abortion rates in the developed world, with women from every socioeconomic, racial, ethnic, religious, and age-group obtaining abortions,” said Lawrence Finer, associate director for domestic research at the Institute.

    We’ve got such big human problems and we look for technological fixes. The bigger problem is how we treat people.

    We all bring our biases with us. I worked in child welfare for 13 years, finding homes and counseling children whose parents abused them. More recently, I’ve spent a lot of time in Haiti. When I talk about our work there, people ask me, “Don’t they know about birth control?” I feel like I have been surrounded by people—abused children and poor people from the developing world– who many think should have been aborted, if only their mothers had the desire and the access. That’s not what I see.

    I enthusiastically voted for Obama and have hated the war in Iraq from its inception. I suspect that if we compared political positions we would agree on 90 percent of the issues. But we disagree on abortion. This won’t stop me from reading your blog and admiring your work on behalf of many worthwhile causes.

    Sincerely,

    Maria

  13. I had the pleasure of hearing you speak on this issue tonight at the PPGA event. Thanks for giving a voice and your tremendous passion for the issues to this cause. I am 31 years old and have never known a pre-Roe world. I am afraid that with the passage of this amendment we are taking an enormous step backward. I applaud you for speaking out. I will be writing my senators and congress representatives to let them no that passage of this bill is dangerous and undermines the essential human rights of women in this country. Keep on blogging and sharing your spark.
    Best to you . . .

  14. Women should be the only ones to make the decision for them. They should have options. They NEED to have options. Clearly abstinence is the guarantee for pregnancy prevention, however let’s be honest here, abstinence isn’t always going to happen. Feeling and emotions happen. The key is to be smart about it and educated enough to know when it’s right and what is right. Sometimes things happen that you don’t expect and a woman should have the options there for her.

    Say now in the tragic case of rape. A woman is forced sex and unfortunately becomes pregnant. Depending upon the age, health and mind set of that woman; abortion may be their only choice. I truly believe having the option there is an important thing. As long as it is thought out and really is the best choice. It definitely isn’t something to be considered as a form of birth control.

  15. You could always just avoid getting pregnant before you are ready for it, you know… personal responsibility.

    (and rape, incest, and danger to the mother are a fraction of a percentage of current abortion numbers.)

    Regardless, I am opposed to the health reform bill too, just for other reasons. Good to know everyone is finding something wrong with it.

  16. With all do respect….

    Hitler and Stalin were perfectly fine with killing children after they were born.

  17. Dear Jane,

    Do you honestly believe what you just wrote?

    All the Stupak Amendment did was ensure that while Obamacare will likely succeed in bankrupting the country- at least it won’t override the Hyde Amendment (banning taxpayer funded elective abortions) which has been standing federal law for 33 years. I suspect the 70s were a blur for you so I can understand how you may have missed it.

    Everyone with a clue knew that the Capps Amendment was an end-around the Hyde Amendment and Stupak called Pelosi and Obama on it and forced the vote.

    Show some spine and cobble together the votes to repeal the Hyde Amendment “frontally” if that is your true goal. Maybe then your zest for killing all those black and hispanic babies out there can be quenched.

  18. Look, when are you pro-abortion people going to crack a science book? It has been common scientific knowledge for DECADES that a human embryo is an individual person from the time of fertilization. At no time is the fertilized embryo part of it’s mothers body, the placenta is an organ of the baby, not the mother. ALL exchange of waste, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and food is done by osmosis through this organ. At no time is blood shared between the mother and the baby. On top of your scientific ignorance, you DEMAND the government to allow women the freedom to chose to slaughter their children under the guise of medical privacy and DEMAND the government control all other aspects of your health care through government run health care. Hypocrite. You are no patriot, you are an enemy of freedom.

  19. I am a Republican and pro-choice. I do not think a woman should be forced to have a child she does not want or is unable to care for. However I think the pro-choice movement also needs to aknowledge the need for better access to contraceptives and safe sex practices. Women need to have to ability to protect themselves from getting into the siutation of an unwanted pregnancy. Yes, I believe a woman has the right to an abortion but our goal should be preventing them from getting to the emotional choice of having to teminate.

  20. “When women are robbed of reproductive health and contraceptive decision-making, they loose an essential element of what it means to be a full human being.”

    Can you explain how they “loose” the element?

    It’s not very credible when you didn’t take the time to edit your spelling, or even worse, if you thought that you used the correct spelling in the first place.

    In regards to the content of your blog, you mentioned Hitler was pro-life. Are you also aware that Hitler supported “going green” and nationalized health care? Don’t paint with such a broad brush.

    Signed,
    Jeff
    1st Grade Spelling Bee Champion

  21. Hmmm… I always love the people who attempt to regain some semblence of their former glory and stature from the entertainment industry when in truth they have become completely irrelevant. Beside the argument being incredibly narcissistic and incredibly immoral to many, Ms Fonda (I use the term loosely) constantly fails to recognize two things. 1.) Its a BABY! With further advances in technology, the age of a viable fetus comming to term outside a mother womb have dramatically increased. That being said it can be seen at a cetain point in the near term future that a 1 month old embryo will be able to survive. So where do you draw the line for murder? And 2.) It takes 2 to tango so they say so why in this day and age are the father’s rights completely disregarded? Because the woman carries the embryo? So with that logic, any woman carrying a fatal disease and passes it on can be tried for murder because she is soley responsible for anything to do with her body? The left claims to be open and inclusive to all but the truth is, it is actually the opposite. It regards only its views as correct and disregards any dissent. It might be nice if they took some responsibility for a change. It is an individuals responsibility to take precautions for unwanted pregnancies. Do not make a new life suffer for an out moded ideology.

  22. What about MY free choice to not have my tax dollars fund what I believe (freedom of opinion) to be MURDER?

  23. “Hitler and pro-life”
    Jane,
    Your acting is great, but your history is terrible. The suggestion that Hitler had “anti-choice” agendas is so baseless as to be laughable! Ever heard of the T4 program?

    The Nazi T4 program began well before the so-called “final solution” another Hitler-inspired German outreach to life. You might have heard of that Hitler pro-life behavior…there’s a museum about its output in D.C. 🙂

    Anyway, Hitler and the Nazi regime instituted T4 by manipulating the German medical community. (Just like “Abortion” and “reproductive rights” are now manipulated through a pseudo-medicalized industry here in America).

    The expressed purpose of the T4 program was to eliminate what Hitler called “life unworthy of life” persons. (Chillingly similar to the current logic for killing “unworthy” unborn children here in the States – especially those “problem children” with birth defects, etc.)

    In the T4 program, instituted by Hitler & Co., the targets for death were mentally and physically disabled persons already born… as well as the elderly, and those with “undesirable characteristics” e.g. homosexuals, gypsies, racially mixed persons, etc. T4 was pure and simple Eugenics, empowered by the Nazis within German Government.

    Now, Jane – primary source documents demonstrate that there was a strong and ongoing contact between Cold Springs Harbor Eugenicists and T4 program operators, with much admiration heaped upon these German eugenicists by CSH. These are established facts – with prima face evidence available from still existing primary sources! If you can’t find them, try Robert Lifton’s excellently documented work, “The Nazi Doctors”. You’ll find the appropriately cited references in that work.

    Jesus, Jane – don’t you know that Ernst Rudin, a high level official in Hitler’s T4 program was a big friend with Abortion hero Margaret Sanger? Read it for yourself – Sanger praised him in her Reproductive Rights publication! Hell, he even wrote articles for it in the 1930’s that SANGER published! Rudin was Hitler’s handpicked T4 lackey. So much for “Pro-Life Hitler”.

    Anyway, before T4 mutated into the aforementioned “Final Solution”, perhaps 300 – 400,000 non-Jewish “life unworthy of life” Germans were killed, as best historians can discover. Again, this was in the 1930’s, NOT during WWII.

    Any enthusiasm Hitler demonstrated toward the birthing of children was merely his attempt to inspire large numbers of “pure Aryan women” to be about more robustly reproducing blond-haired, blue-eyed children. He writes as much in Mien Kampf. Such views had nothing to do with any moral conviction that life begins at conception, or that we should protect the most vulnerable humans in utero.

    Stick to acting – it more becomes your acumen.

  24. Tax payer funded abortions?? How about tax funded breast augmentation. I am pro-choice but not pro abortion. The tax payer has to fund an abortion by irresponsible women and men who get pregnant?? How about all you girl groups fund your own abortions??

  25. It is sad thing when we place the “rights” of one human being over another. A person does not become one just because they move from the mother’s uterus to the outside world. Who will protect the children? Are they only worth protecting once the mother decides she will carry them until term? It is appalling that we will prosecute someone for the death of a baby if the mother has not consented, but will allow her to kill her own child if she chooses to do so. Why do we legally prosecute the mom if she decides to kill her child after they are born? Isn’t that hypocritical? Take a look at a sonogram of one of these precious ones early in their growth. In this day and age, it is far more heroic to keep your child than to kill it.

    It is being shown that babies are surviving due to medical technology earlier and earlier and yet we want to kill them in the uterus later and later. Very rarely is the mother’s health at risk. Most abortions are performed because the mom made a poor choice and became pregnant. There are thousands of people who would willing raise a child that was unwanted… why wont women do the strong thing and allow these children to be care by those who would eagerly do so? I am quite surprised, Jane, that you, as one who has said that you were redeemed by Christ, would have a view contrary to the Word of God. As a fellow believer, I would encourage you to spend more study time in His word so that you would have a high view of all human life, not just a woman’s. All lives are precious in his sight. The real problem here is that women do not want to accept consequences for poor choices and thus have embraced this horrible solution as an alternative. In the case of rape or incest, it would be even more difficult, but I have known of women who chose to keep their children and love them and those who have chosen to have the child and given them up for adoption to loving homes. It is not the child’s fault that we live in a sin cursed world, but we are called to a higher standard and I am saddened, Jane, that you are not advocating the higher road.

  26. Irony. The right wingers spent all summer talking about secret hidden time bombs in the bill. Luking to take out the old people and subvert the system. Nonsense we were told. Its all there,transparent and you have nothing to fear. Guess who found out what happens when their agenda gets in the way of the “greater good” from the bill. Not the right wingers. The prochoice people. So now lets everybody understand what happens when we let the government craft the glorious plan. Why you might find something in there that you dont like and find out you cant stop that train because its left the station.

  27. Jane, you ignorant tool. Read some history about the abortion movement. The founder of the organization that would become Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a prominent follower of the Eugenics movement in this country. The goal of the movement was to promote the purity and growth of the dominant ‘race’ in this country, the Anglo-Saxons, by among other things, discouraging breeding between races and reducing the growth of the inferior brown races. Abortion is simply negative eugenics and it was then, as it still is now, primarily directed at the so-called “inferior” races. Hitler was very much influenced by some of the actions of the eugenics movement that he saw in the U.S., such as forced sterilization, and he incorporated those ideas into his own negative eugenics program. The reason Hitler did not support abortion, at least for his beloved Aryans, was because he wanted to increase the population of Germany so that it could conquer the lesser peoples of Europe. As we all know Hitler did eliminate the lesser peoples that fell under his control and like abortion, his acts were a legal fiction created by German judges.

  28. In North Korea, all pregnancies that are not approved by the state end in forced abortion.

  29. I am a women, a wife, an Active Duty Enlisted Airmen, and a mother. I’m all for women’s rights. But, I refuse to let my tax money pay to murder an unborn child…It’s not always about power. It is about life, morales and responsibility.

  30. I am a married stay at home mom to 4 teenage daughters. While I agree that women should have access to birth control and make their own decisions on whether or not they want to have children I don’t agree with abortion being a way in which to accomplish this. I don’t think the ability to take the life of our unborn children is necessary to achieving empowerment. I believe that by thinking that way we are actually hindering ourselves. By thinking that the only way we can be a “full human being” is by having the ability to decide who lives and who dies is insulting. We should want to attain full equality by REFUSING to compromise what sets us apart as women, not giving it up to attain some male sense of how we need to be to achieve our goals.

    I had an abortion when I was 17 years old because I was told that is what I needed to do to be able to accomplish my goals. The thing is, the abortion so changed me that I didn’t accomplish the things that the abortion were supposed to buy me. I sacrificed my child for NOTHING. Now I live with the pain and regret of that decision.

    I will continue to fight to end abortion as a form of birth control. I want my 4 daughters to succeed because of the strong women they are and the knowledge and skills they have NOT because they have some misplaced need to make themselves like a man and lose their identity in the process.

  31. Just would like to point out that the Nazi “final solution” started with killing developmentally disabled in the womb and as children in the Nazi medical facilities. This is well documented in a book called “the Nazi Doctors” as well as numerous other historical accounts. As to Stalin, he killed babies and pregnant women in the Ukraine for failing to submit fully to the Soviet’s forced labor all for the good of the state…to the tune of 20 million people.

    In fact, in nearly every totalitarian society ever, abortion was widespread and was only one of the many types of instatutionalized murder. Propaganda was also a major tool used to indoctrinate people, demonizing political and ideological opponents was an integral practice, especially using charged emotional charges and language was a way to stifle debate.

  32. Don’t pull the Nazi/Soviet card, ever. They all supported gun control too.

  33. I have personally never cared what the law says concerning my body, as far as I was always concerned it would be a cold day in you-know-where before anyone tells me what to do with my body. Then, now, and forever!

    I drove my sister to Hollywood when we were in high school, many years ago, for her to get an abortion. I would have flown her anywhere if it had to be.

    Unbelievable to me that some still don’t “get it”.

  34. I am for Post Birth Abortion of all “pro choice” people, beginning with “feminists”, Jane Fonda (who is responsible for the deaths and torturing of US military members in Vietnam…..though she supposedly “apologized”). Since a preborn human gets no say his his/her abortion (killing…dismembering….torture), why should post born humans have any say?

    Of course I don’t want any humans killed by others unless they have earned that death….like Maj. Hasan just did, but the ridiculousness of my comment is only equaled by the ignorant callousness of this post by Jane Fonda

    Jane Fonda, you are a liar, a mean spirited person, and should stop influencing others to be as dishonest and mean as you are

  35. Jane,

    Your blog only reinforces my views that government should not be in charge of our healthcare. I am prochoice, but I totally get how people would not want their tax money to go towards abortion, but here we are fighting over whether abortion should be funded in a healthcare bill.

    We live in a nation with over 300 million people, all with our own individual views on life. One of the most personal aspects of our lives is our health, yet this healthcare bill takes away our choices. This healthcare bill dictates to us what is to be covered, how we are to pay for it, and fine us or send us to jail if we don’t pay for it. We get no choice. We don’t get to choose our healthcare options. Instead our options are fought out in the political arena; 500 some people making decisions for 300 million of us. The fighting and politizing of healthcare will only get worse as time goes by if this gets passed. Lobbiests will be dictating our healthcare. Do you really want that to happen? How about we open the state lines and have the government stop dictating to the insurance companies what they have to provide and let us, the people, decide for ourselves. If I want a plan that covers abortions, I will get that plan. If I don’t want a plan that covers abortions, then that is the plan I will get. People like you can donate to Planned Parenthood so that low-income women can have access to abortions. That way no tax money is used and everyone gets their free choice.

    Your reference to Stalin and Hitler was a little strange considering both were for universal healthcare and total control of their people.

  36. Yo Janey: I think you forgot the Pope and Mother Theresa as supporters of the pro-life position also (or anti-choice as you absurdly called it).

    You go girl!

    Good luck with all of that.

  37. Jane, you are 10000% correct when you say “Reproduction and sexuality are keys to women’s empowerment.” Abortion is a BETRAYAL of the truth and beauty of how we were created, however. And FAR from empowering women, it weakens them, shatters their self-image as a nurterer of life, and makes them MORE susceptible to being used and discarded by men. Ask anyone who’s had one how “empowering” it is to lay helpless on a steel table with sharp instruments invading their body!

    A REAL powerful woman knows she is loved and supported, most especially when she is most vulnerable, during pregnancy. A powerful woman isn’t one who is told by her partner to “get rid of” the “problem”.

    We ARE created to nurture life, it’s written right into our bodies….look at how we are built!

    Please wake up to the lies that you’ve been fed and are now spreading to others. True happiness isn’t found by denying our nature!

  38. Keep your laws off my body!!!

    And that includes this Health Care Overhaul that gives the Government more control on what happens behind the hospital curtain..

    If this argument is good enough for the “pro-choice” movement that is willing to kill a living thing (as the fetus has a heart beat and brain activity by 7 weeks after conception and science tells us that anything that can split and grow their cells is a living thing (You did take biology in high school? Right, Jane)) than it’s good enough for me that desires freedom and liberty from a Government that can do what it wills because it’s “for the common good”…

    I do not wish for my tax dollars to go to the murder of innocents…. if you are too stupid or lazy to use birth control than YOU need to deal with the consequences… Not me. I have personal responsibility and deal with the consequences when needed.

  39. With respect to the abortion issue, I believe you can be pro-choice yet strongly opposed to taxpayer-funded abortions. I had an abortion 20 years ago. At the time I was poor, uninsured, and making minimum wage at a department store. I had to take on a second part time job just to cover the procedure. The idiot who got me pregnant was nowhere to be found and I was totally on my own. No taxpayers bailed me out and I didn’t expect them to. While I will fight tooth and nail for our right to choose, I think it is grossly unfair to expect others to pay for those choices.

  40. Jane,

    you believe a woman should, alone, make the decision about whether she has a baby..

    but.. but.. you liberals claim to speak for the poor, the minority, the repressed and oppressed, the conflicted, the gay, the female, every possible subgroup of any possible group..

    but who speaks for these babies who get slaughtered by women ‘choosing’ to go from pregnant to unpregnant?

    It isn’t “YOUR BODY”. It’s two bodies, yours and the unborn child’s body. It’s like a hotel manager with a guest in the room, deciding to spray his hotel for bugs while the guest is in the room sleeping. Guest poisoned? NO PROBLEM.. hotel manager had right to CHOOSE.

    I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO END SOMEONE ELSE’S LIFE FOR MY CONVENIENCE, and neither does any woman.

    the central issue is not a WOMAN’s RIGHT TO CHOOSE, it’s whether the ’tissue mass’ is a human being or not.

    If it is, nobody has the right to choose to KILL A HUMAN BEING.

    If it isn’t, then PROVE IT. Logically, sensibly, scientifically, however you want. Just prove it.

    Because the default position of compassion AND common sense is that any ’tissue mass’ is a person. left alone, without a natural malfunction, it will most certainly be a baby, a school child, a teen, an adult and a senior citizen. I’ve been some of those and I will be the rest. I AM A PERSON. So is the baby in the womb. Same presumed future as mine. Same nature.

    If you can prove a fetus is not a person, DO IT.

  41. You know who else supported nationalized health care? Hitler..I mean come on Jane, that isn’t even a suitable argument. Dictators are about controlling everything – industry, health care, the choices of people – and that is JUST what this bill healthcare bill does. PEOPLE will not be in charge of their healthcare just as they aren’t now, but instead of a private company (you can always switch those) you have government (a hell of lot harder to change).

    Real reform, not regulated reform.

    Right wing stealth? PLEASE. Do you know many dictators have been left?

    Stop making this partisan, it isn’t. If you wish to be an activists make it for rights, not for party.

  42. Wow. I clicked over here from Big Hollywood. After reading the first few comments, I thought this was going to be a big liberal love fest. Oh, how wrong I was. Ms. Fonda, I DO NOT agree with you AT ALL in any way. However, I give you props for keeping the dissenting comments up. That is refreshing. Thank you.

    Taggart Snyder

  43. Psalm 139:13 David to the Lord: “You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb.” The same is true for all of us. Funny how everyone who’s for abortion has already been born.

    Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a known racist who called black people “human weeds” and “people who never should have been born.” Sadly her work continues today at enormous profit and, yet, taxpayer expense.

    Hitler was pro-abortion, especially for races he considered inferior. http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id15.html
    The first abortion clinics were in Berlin at the rise of the Third Reich. A product of that environment, Leni Riefenstahl writes of her first sexual experience. Afterword the guy threw some money at her and said, “If you get pregnant, use this to get rid of it.” Is that not where abortion on demand has pretty much gotten us? Like many aspects of the feminist movement, it doesn’t really help women. It helps bad men get something for nothing. Chris Rock put it best: “If you’re a guy looking to get lucky, go to an abortion rally, cuz you know the women there are having sex!” They want to be promiscuous but they don’t want to be associated with promiscuity.

    We’ve been so deceived into thinking of abortion as some sort of freedom’s linchpin. Yet marriage, monogamy, chastity and chivalry (all those institutions considered passe, even offensive, by feminists) were all put in place to protect women. The counter-culture revolution of the 60’s did much to tear them down. So now, sadly, women will give their precious bodies over like it’s nothing, with abortion being the ultimate sacrament/safety net. That’s not power. It’s enslavement to a culture that only seeks to objectify them.

  44. I am sorry that the Stupak amendment passed and I hope it is reversed in conference. But … more than anything I was sorry to see the abortion issue overshadow the debate on why health care reform is imperative.

    It is a crime that in this country insurance companies can deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions — and who doesn’t reach middle age with a few pre-existing conditions.

  45. Same old same old from the anti-choice gang which is made up of (among other things)churches that are anti women’s rights, hateful toward gays, were racist for most of their histories, and are grossly particularist, though their rhetoric is cagey. Charles Manson is pro life, as is the man who shot and killed the three civil rights workers in Mississippi. Here in Florida we had a couple, ironically named ‘Dollar,’ who were (are?) pro life and were convicted of abusing their EIGHT ADOPTED CHILDREN by starving them and accusing them of ‘stealing’ when they tried to get food out of the family kitchen. When they attack you on your own blog they trot out the same hoary old arguments and ‘facts’ that come from sources like Pat Robertson. Same old same old. Also note how hateful they can be.
    As Barney Frank says, this group very often seems to believe that its responsibility for ‘life’ begins at conception and ends at birth. After the birth the person may fall into one of their disliked categories (minority races, Jewish) ooops.

  46. Can I include this insightful comment from our Pres? I am wondering how he will explain it to them when they are older.

    “I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

    So, a baby in a punishment? What I’d really like to know is when does personal responsibility step in?

  47. I’ll have to make sure all of my female patients (mainly teens) have literature on Plan B and know how and where to purchase it and who to contact after hours should they ever need a prescription.

  48. If you choose to support the murder of innocent children, that is between you and God. It is MY choice not to have my tax dollars pay for those murders! How about women actually taking steps to not get pregnant in the first place? In this day and age there are MANY options to choose from. You support murdering innocent children, then YOU pay for it Jane!

    • See my reply to Matt. And by the way, why is it that the same people who oppose women’s right to choose so often also oppose contraception and the pubic programs that makes it easier for poor women to feed and raise healthy children. As we say, they believe life begins with conception and ends with birth.

  49. Jane, if your wondering why all these right wingers are suddenly posting of on your blog, it’s because Bill O’Reilly named you pinhead of the week for this blog…personally I think it’s an honor to be pinhead of the week 🙂

  50. Ahhh Jane isn’t revisionist history fun?

    When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year. Although Hitler and his government encourged Aryan women to produce a lot of children, he left the matter of abortion and all its facets in the hands of a decidely pro- abortion medical establishment. Even in the midst of Nazi propaganda aimed at increasing the Aryan population, scores of Aryan women still chose to abort their unborn children. The medical publication Deutsches Aerzleblatt reported the abortions in Germany each year reached a half-million.

    Further, a Nazi decree of October 19, 1941 established abortion on demand as the official policy of Poland. Hitler, however, expressed dissatisfaction with this policy. Abortion, he believed, should NOT be limited to Poland. He therefore ordered that abortion be expanded to all populations under the control of the “Ministry of the Occupied Territories of the East.”

    On July 22, 1942, the Fuhrer exhibited a highly positive attitude towards abortion as an indispensable method of dealing with the non-German populations in countries under Nazi control. “In view of the large families of the native populations,” he asserted, “it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible.” Hitler also personally announced that he “would personally shoot” any “such idiot” who “tried to put into practice such an order (forbidding abortion) in the occupied Eastern territories.

    • The issue is denying women choice–to have or not to have babies. China allows abortion but deprives women a choice…one child only…the dictators aren’t all against abortion, they’re against freedom of choice for women.They impose thei own agendas on women’s bodies.

    • Jane,

      I agree with you that women should have a choice, as I am prochoice. I disagree with you on the reason that China forces abortion. It is for population control. In all reality, abortions are a form of population control. Margaret Sanger was actually against abortion, but for population control of those she considered not worthy to breed. She believed in eugenics and forced sterilizations. Sanger found a way to make birth control popular and that was through women’s rights. I don’t disagree with that aspect, as it did free women to do more things in life.

      But what we have to realize, the real reason for abortion is population control. John Holdren, our science czar, believes that at some point we may have to force abortions or sterilizations if our population becomes too large or a threat to the earth.

      He wrote in 1977 in the book Ecoscience:

      “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however.”

      Now granted, that was written in 1977, but in 2001 he wrote a paper stating that population needs to be controlled due to global warming and now here we are in 2009 in a situation where our president may sign a treaty with the UN to bring carbon emissions under control. If you read headlines worldwide, you will see many government officials worldwide saying something has to be done about population. Just google population control and global warming and see what you come up with. Thirty-two years after Holdren wrote his book, his “crisis” is now here. He has already written the plans on how to control population.

      Here is a letter I found written by a Roe V. Wade lawyer to then President-elect Clinton. The letter doesn’t really sound like he cares about women’s choices, but more about controlling populations.

      http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006_docs/WeddingtontoClintondocs.pdf

      Do you trust that our government will not use global warming as a “crisis” to take away the choice of women? Do you trust our government to take over healthcare and make decisions for our bodies?

      If you truly believe this a women’s choice issue, then you need to fight the fight and get government out of the way. Abortion is legal. I don’t believe that will ever change, but if the government takes over our healthcare and conveniently has a global warming “crisis” what makes you think they won’t take away our choices?

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